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Jean Levac
Posts:76

06/28/2009 4:42 PM  
Well, we put usa609 in the water for the first time today. We had a problem lifting it though. Has anybody come across this problem: When we lifted it, it tipped to starboard as though the balance point of the keel was way off. It is an older hatch with no guide for the lifting strap. At our club, all the j24 have the newer hatch with the top inspection port. we came to the conclusion that maybe I need to build a 2*6 with a hole in it that I would run the strap through to keep it from swaying. Any tips would be greatly appreciated!
Paul Scalisi
Posts:10

06/29/2009 4:21 PM  

2 x 8 is weigh to go, my board extends out past the rails side to side by 3 inches each side, I also add two chocks under the board which fit snugly inside the hatch cut out, drill hole in the middle for stap and your almost there.  I also added a line from the board, down to the keel strap and back up to the board to keep it from popping up(very important).  Finally a line aft to the stern cleats and one forward to the bow cleat.  Its worth it but take a few moments to find the Happy Spot fore and aft for the board and make a mark so you can repeat the trim quickly, used this system for years and never had a problem.

 

Stephen Gonzalez
Posts:15

06/29/2009 8:45 PM  

Not sure about the board.  We just use two lines with loops in the middle of each lin to balance the boat when lifting.

  Rear line goes to aft cleats on each side with the loop on the hook.

  Next put the loop from the lifting strap on the hook.

  Forward line goes to stanchion bases just forward of the mast then on the hook.

You can use caribeener style hooks on the ends of the lines or just mark the turning point of the line and tie them off.  Takes a try or two to get the right length for balance but once you mark the lines it only takes a couple of minutes to rig and stows easily.

Nancy Zangerle
Posts:22

06/30/2009 3:43 PM  
While I have the newer style seahood, I have one line going forward to the bow cleat and two lines coming aft to the cabintop winches (what can I say - its a chick's boat - we like the cabintops). The alternative is to take two lines aft out to your spin sheet turning blocks at the stanchions, then to your primaries and cleat. I never have a problem, until some yard ape tries to tell me how I should lift my boat - they always get it wrong. You just need some experimentation for the proper setup and balance for YOUR boat.
Jean Levac
Posts:76

06/30/2009 10:43 PM  
Thanks for all your help. Issue solved with some lines going across the cleats.
Ken Shores
Posts:85

07/02/2009 9:23 PM  
I have the original style sea hood.  In the beginning the experienced J24 sailors were saying that I needed to cut 2 inspection ports center line from the aft edge of the sea hood about 4-5 inches in.  They said that the lifting strap would line up right over the keel strap and there is no movement when this is done. Remove the companion way cover and the 2 holes can be drilled in less than 10 minutes.  You can purchase a 4.5 inch hole saw at Lowes for $36.  The rest of the installation is real quick.  Be sure to use life seal or some other good caulk.  Remember the water will rot the balsa wood core. 

All J24's for some reason are heavy in the stern.  Be sure to have all of your equipment in the vee berth when you make the lift.  This will help to level it out.  Also "the old salts" recommended using a line attached to the lifting strap running aft to the port and starboard deck cleats.  I had a piece of old main halyard that is attached to the lifting strap with a lanyard hitch.  This supposedly stablizes the rolling that you talked about.  Not having the inspection port set up will lead to the sea hood popping out (no fun I would imagine)

The lift is easy.  My son and his friend have taken care of it for me and they do an excellent job.  Two born riggers.  However a word of caution.  Do not under estimate that you are lifting a 1.5 ton boat and this is not a simple matter.  Make sure that your lifting strap is rated for the lift and that you have a good shackle or are attached to the keel strap.  Replace any worn equipment.

There are clubs that have made You Tube vidoes that help to show how to launch with a crane.

Good luck

Ken Shores
Litora Caeli
USA 2273
Scott Mcwilliams
Posts:6

07/19/2009 11:21 PM  
My friend and I both had the same problem lifting with a strap. I gave up and used slings under the hull but he persisted. Eventually he was able to do it without a problem. It required lines running FROM THE HOOK to the aft stantions and Stantions forward of the mast to control pitch and lines going to the stantions just even with the hook to controll roll.  No amount of moving things arround would balance the boat. The keel does not give enough stability. The lines need to be tought and to keep the hook off the seahood, but they are not supporting the boat, the strap is. Theuy just prevent pitch and roll.  Hopes this helps I am sail 830 Louis is 729 so we are the same version that you have. Best of luck
Scott
Jean Levac
Posts:76

07/20/2009 9:58 AM  
Thanks Scott. Just wondering, what year was the 830 and 729 built? The numbers on the transom have been painted and sanded over enough that I can't quite make out the year.
Thanks
Jean
Rich Taylor
Posts:34

07/20/2009 11:17 AM  
We have hulls 781 and 782 here on Lake Lanier, GA.
IIRC, #782 was built September 1978 (per the HIN).

Between my boat (hull #140, 11/77) and these I calculated that
they were building about 60 per month (2 per day).

So, that rate would estimate #729 near August 1978 and #830 around November 1978.
Just guessing, of course - finding a closer HIN would tell you better info.

-= Rich Taylor, #140
Ken Shores
Posts:85

07/20/2009 8:28 PM  

Jean,

Remember that hull registeration numbers were put two places.  You know about the numbers on the transom but there is a duplicate set under the threshold of the companionway.  Thanks for asking the question because I have recently seen pictures of the J24 built after mine in the World races. 

Regards,

Ken Shores

USA 2273

Jean Levac
Posts:76

07/20/2009 8:51 PM  
Hi Ken, I have checked under the threshold but all I get is the 609 - not the whole ID.
Cheers
J
Bryan Wutzke
Posts:30

07/22/2009 1:32 PM  
Correct.  Only the hull serial number portion of the entire hull ID is located under the companionway threshold trim.
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